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1:350 Prinz Eugen 1945 a 1941. Trumpeter
« en: 20 de Julio del 2010, 04:46:15 »


hello. compré el prinz 1945 de trumpeter, quiero convertirlo a la version de 1941 cuando peleó con el bismarck contra el Hood y Prince of wales. Se que tiene detalles que cambiaron a lo largo de 4 años. en un foro dicen que hay que hacer estas modificaciones:

     I wanted to do “Prinz Eugen” as she appeared during  Operation Rheinübung in May 1941.  According to a post by a modeler at The Ship Model Forum, one has to do the following to create a 1941 “Prinz Eugen”:

             The two forward high-angle AA-directors lack their domed tops, which were handed over to the Russians. In place of the domed tops, ordinary 3m-rangefinders were installed.

             The AA platform in front of the conning tower, directly above the Admiral's Bridge, had a surrounding solid bulwark from Brest on, whereas the earlier version just featured a railing and a searchlight instead of the Flakvierling.

             The AA platforms on either side of the funnel were searchlight platforms.

             The four triple torpedo launchers did not feature the anti-spray cupola.

            The additional deckhouse beneath the searchlight platform of the main mast needs to be removed.

             Aft of this additional deckhouse, between the main mast and the aft rangefinder/gun director base, there are a few changes in the layout of the bulwarks.

             For the 1941 project, one also needs to remove the 20mm anti-aircraft armament.  This involved filling holes in the decks, which I did using Evergreen rod.


Tambien hay una discucion sobre el esquema de camuflage, alguien sabra mas que yo, ó tendra terminado el proyecto antes que yo. pongo una lista de los esquemas que encontré en internet.  ojala podamos sacar este proyecto adelante. saludos





Prinz Eugen in May 1941 (top), in Norway late February 1942 (center), and in 1944 (bottom).


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[size=18]articulo para convertirlo de 1945 a 1941 interesante[/size]
http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/ships/ger/tmcpe.htm


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Re: 1:350 Prinz Eugen 1945 a 1941. Trumpeter
« Respuesta #1 en: 20 de Julio del 2010, 05:15:31 »
Es el admiral Hipper igual al Prinz Eugen en 1941? porque compre ambos barcos y tienen difernecias significativas.....

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Re: 1:350 Prinz Eugen 1945 a 1941. Trumpeter
« Respuesta #2 en: 20 de Julio del 2010, 08:32:32 »
Respecto a los cambios, las principales diferencias entre 1941 y 1945 son el equipo electrónico y el armamento AA. En ambos apartados los cambios fueron muy importantes, por lo que tendrás que documentarte muy bien si quieres hacer un  "backdate" históricamente preciso. El lado bueno es que siempre es más fácil quitar que poner, o sea que ánimo.

Respecto al Hipper y el Prinz Eugen, nunca fueron iguales.
El Hipper era el primer crucero de la clase y el PE el último, y las diferencias no son sólo de disposición de elementos en la superestructura sino que el mismo casco era bastante diferente. Para empezar el P. Eugen era más largo, y las formas del casco variaban bastante. Dicho esto, sólo los  muy entendidos podrían, viendo sólo el casco, distinguir al Hipper del PE.
Luis Crespo "Sparrow"

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Re: 1:350 Prinz Eugen 1945 a 1941. Trumpeter
« Respuesta #3 en: 21 de Julio del 2010, 01:26:48 »
Estimado Luis, gracias por tu comentario, tienes razon, pues en si solo tengo esta informacion para hacer mi modificacion, de hecho voy a comprar dos prinz eugen, uno para hacerlo en el esquema con el que peleó contra el hood y otro es el de  lineas con las swasticas en cubierta, para la batalla tanto el bismarck como el prinz las pintaron de gris, saludos.   


 I wanted to do “Prinz Eugen” as she appeared during  Operation Rheinübung in May 1941.  According to a post by a modeler at The Ship Model Forum, one has to do the following to create a 1941 “Prinz Eugen”:

             The two forward high-angle AA-directors lack their domed tops, which were handed over to the Russians. In place of the domed tops, ordinary 3m-rangefinders were installed.

             The AA platform in front of the conning tower, directly above the Admiral's Bridge, had a surrounding solid bulwark from Brest on, whereas the earlier version just featured a railing and a searchlight instead of the Flakvierling.

             The AA platforms on either side of the funnel were searchlight platforms.

             The four triple torpedo launchers did not feature the anti-spray cupola.

            The additional deckhouse beneath the searchlight platform of the main mast needs to be removed.

             Aft of this additional deckhouse, between the main mast and the aft rangefinder/gun director base, there are a few changes in the layout of the bulwarks.

             For the 1941 project, one also needs to remove the 20mm anti-aircraft armament.  This involved filling holes in the decks, which I did using Evergreen rod.

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Re: 1:350 Prinz Eugen 1945 a 1941. Trumpeter
« Respuesta #4 en: 21 de Julio del 2010, 01:34:28 »
Full details, including Trumpeter kit part numbers have been kindly examined and compiled by Maarten Schofeld in this thread here -

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8372

A summary list follows -

• Rudder hinge pin: hole in hull 1.6mm too far forward on kit, pin 1.8mm too far forward on rudder. Make new rudder hinge pin (brass rod) and make new locating hole in hull
• Centre propeller has wrong direction of rotation, should be the same as of port propeller. Take blades off and cement with opposite pitch angle.
• Boat booms missing completely, should be checked on photographs when carried on outside of hull. (These where not carried during Rheinübung)
• Propeller guard booms missing completely, should be checked on photographs when carried on outside of hull.
• Turrets Anton and Dora (A and D): remove ladder on LH side (when looking in firing direction) of turret
• Stern chock at extreme rear of hull above deck needs to be detailed (looks like a small bulwark now) ref WP21 page 71.
• Add pipe from scratch against main front member of mainmast (picture page 11 WP21)
I intend to replace at least the kit radars by brass PE versons from the GMM Bismarck/Tirpitz set.

Backdating to 22-27 May 1941 Operation “Rheinübung”

Step 2 parts F1 and G15/17. The four triple torpedo launchers did not feature their anti-spray copula. Use part F2 instead.

Step 3 parts F14/G37 (x7). Delete all 20 mm guns and fill holes in deck.

Step 5 parts G35, F14/G37. Delete 20 mm gun and platform. Fill holes in top of turret.

Step 7 parts G20 and G4. Delete these directors and replace by circular tub and 3m rangefinders.

Step 9 parts G22 (4x). Delete these Sumatra radar antennas.

Step 9 part C24. The large Tyfon ship’s whistle must be relocated from the roof of the bridge to protrude from the front bulwark of part A4, .. mm starboard of the centreline.

Step 9 parts B40/D10. Modify director house to have only one level. Cut/sand off all detail from top of B40, cut radar support and observation turret from D10 and cement these to B40.

Step 9 part B29. Replace FuMO 26 radar by spare FuMO 23 radar from mainmast (B19)

Step 10, parts G12/13 on B3/4. The two forward high-angle AA-directors are lacking their domed tops (in German: "Wackeltopf"). This pair was handed over to the Russians, together with the aft pair from Bismarck and together with the 3rd ship of the second batch of Hipper class cruisers, the Lützow (Feb. 1940). In place of the domed tops, ordinary 3m-rangefinders were installed. Build these from scratch, or use them from a Bismarck kit.

Step 10 part A11. The AA platform in front of the conning tower, directly above the Admiral's Bridge, was narrower and just featured a railing and a searchlight instead of the Flakvierling. Modify the kit part and add the searchlight, I use a spare from the Revell Bismarck kit.

Step 11 parts D2/21/22/27/28. From the additional deckhouse beneath the searchlight platform of the main mast, the upper storey needs to be removed.

Step 11 part B4. Aft of this additional deckhouse, between the main mast and the aft rangefinder/gun director base, there are a few changes in the layout of the bulwarks. I don’t have access to photos right now but check p.4 of this thread here. There is a photo which shows the additional bulwark. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t there in 1941.

Step 11 parts C38/39, A15 and B19. Delete all radars from mainmast.

Step 13 part (A)PE10. Replace slant railing with an upright one, covered by canvas.

Step 14 parts A5/6. The AA platforms on either side of the funnel were searchlight platforms, with hemispherical rotatable covers. Similar to Bismarck. Platforms can be modified by cutting off rear platform extension, and making fixed part of domed hood from scratch (Evergreen strip). Rotatable dome parts from Bismarck kit, or modified from spare Wackeltopf rangefinder (G12/13) which has the same diameter.

Disposition of boats, liferafts and paravanes still to be checked.

Please add your corrections and additions!

regards
Maarten